Israel

I would like to know if there is a place for the nation of Israel in the theology of Christian Reconstruction .


Oh course there is. The Bible is clear that true Israel, are Israelites by faith, not by blood. There is only one shepherd, and only one flock, and that includes those descended from fleshly Israel.

Jeremy W. Author: May 22, 2012 7:51 AM Posted:

Indeed ,salvation is by grace through faith for both the gentiles and the Jews.
However I had not meant the issue of salvation . So to be clearer , if I may quote
Romans 11:25-26 :- '...a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness
of the gentiles has come in.And in this way all Israel will be saved ,as it is
written...'
This refers to the nation of Israel. And again in Romans 11:11 :- '..salvation
has come to the gentiles , so as to make Israel jealous.'
The question ,in other words,is' where in the nation of Israel do the christian reconstruction fit?

sudhendrapratap Author: May 22, 2012 8:32 PM Posted:

Rom. 11:25-26 is Paul's commentary on Isaiah 19:18-25, where Israel's worst enemies (Egypt, Assyria) because part of God's kingdom in front of Israel, and Israel becomes what Isaiah calls "the third part" (verse 24) behind the Gentiles. We see a partial salvation of genetic Israel while the totality of Gentile nations are converted to Christ, and then the veil is lifted entirely upon Jacob's descendants. The regrafting in of the natural branches leads to the resurrection from the dead (Rom. 11:15), closing history once the New Covenant prediction is fulfilled that no man will need to teach his neighbor saying Know the Lord, for all shall know Him from the least to the greatest (upon completion of the Great Commission and the Spirit's being finally poured out on all flesh). The "modal" reading of Rom. 11:26, "in this way," is premised on a failure to distinguish between "part" and "all" and runs afoul of the difficulty of taking the term "Israel" in several different senses in so narrow a context. The literal meaning is the one to be followed, not the evasions that have been cooked up due to failure to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Israel is the caboose of history and comes in, completely and totally, once the "pleroma" (totality) of the Gentiles are come in. In the mean time, blindness (but only in part) lies upon Israel's eyes (referring, again, not to a geopolitical entity, considering that most Jews live outside of those boundaries and these promises refer to all the descendants of Jacob regardless of physical location).

Martin S. Author: Jul 6, 2012 7:19 PM Posted:

1. Thank you for responding.
I agree that the literal meaning is to be followed. Yet the question is left unanswered. Elaboration being necessary hence bear with me.
When Israel was not a nation , neither a people , nor an extented family, not even an hope for a couple , " The LORD said to Abram,..'Lift up your eyes and look... for all the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring forever'" (Genesis 13:4,15).
Abram said , "...I continue childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus ( Genesis 15:2). " And behold the word of the LORD came to him : ' This man shall not be your heir: your very own son shall be your heir (Genesis 15:18).

2. Years passed. "And Hagar bore Abram a son (Ishmael).." (Genesis 16;13). God changed the name of Abram to Abraham " for I have made you the father of a multitufe of nations " (Genesis 17:15). And Abraham said to God ," Oh that Ishamel might live before you. God said " No, but Sarah your wife shall bear you a son and you shall call his name Isaac " (Genesis 17: 18-19).

3. A study of Genesis 13-17, 21:1-7 clearly provides conclusive evidence that God declared persistently and against opposition - from no less than His own chosen - on bloodline and land. Which brings us to the present . Has God rejected His people ?? By no means , the scripture replies . "God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew" ( Romans 11 :1,2 ).

4. Nor has He rejected the Land .
David Ben-Gurion , Executive Head of the World Zionist Organization and president of the Jewish Agency for Palestine declared the establishment of the State of Israel , a partimentary republic , on 14th May 1948 .

5. Prior to the above date , any perspective of eschatological study might have yeilded some benefit to the pupil . Not after that date . Sixty-four years passed since 1948 .
Today, it is absurd to say that the church is now Israel. For such a statement refuses to recognize the present existence of the state of Israel and denies the doctine of divine inspriration for the scriptures In other words ,it denies God , the Eminent Domain of His Sovereignity throughout the whole extent of His own Covenant.

6.The inspired scriptures states :-" By no means ! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.Now if their trepass means riches for the world , and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles , how much more will their full inclusion mean !
Now Iam speaking to you Gentiles . Inasmuch as Iam an apostle to the Gentiles , I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous , and thus save some of them . For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their accepture mean but life from the dead ? " (Romans 11:11-15).

7. In 2000 years of history since Christ , there has never been a stable christian nation . Attempts have been made that there be so . The last great attempt was the United States of America .
Evidently , Gentile christian countries are not in the will of God or there would have been one before 1948 , and had remained so today.
It is imperative that Gentile believers be knowledgeable as to the priority of Israel over Gentile christians ; that the entire world will be subordinate to Israel is without a doubt (Isaiah 2: 1-4).

8. Clearly , an theonomic eschatological discipline must take into account Israel , " SO AS TO MAKE ISRAEL JEALOUS " (Romans 11: 11, 14). Because " as regards election , they are the beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable " (Romans 11 :28-29).
Being silent is as taking the LORD's Name in vain. This constitutes bearing false witness. The sin of omission has the same guilt as the sin of commission .Therefore the vision of Obadiah ,concerning Edom, shall apply :- "For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations .As you have done , it shall be done to you ; your deeds shall return on your own head " (Obadiah 15).


9. Is it in the will of God that theonomy be without obligation relative to the Abrahamic Covenant ??

sudhendrapratap Author: Jul 15, 2012 5:23 AM Posted:

You know of course that you people are traitors to America and enemies of freedom, don you? The Chalcedon scourge needs to be treated as terrorists and swept from this great , free, secular nation

Satan Author: Jul 24, 2012 6:16 AM Posted:

I cannot respond , for the reason that you have identified yourself as 'Satan'.

This has placed you beyond my boundary , and into the domain that the Lord Jesus Christ has reserved for Himself .

sudhendrapratap Author: Jul 28, 2012 6:20 AM Posted:

Created by the barbarous society in Europe.
I do not think anything else.

Taner Y. Author: Aug 5, 2012 10:57 AM Posted:

first i give to thanks the author because he share lot of information about israel and christian reconstruction.

imranforu Author: Sep 13, 2012 4:26 PM Posted:

Since no attempt was made to contradict my exposition of Isaiah 19:18-25 with an alternative, that argument stands. Israel, in God's own words, is "the third part" and not "the first part." Even more passages of Isaiah dealing with these concepts can be brought to bear on the matter, not to mention the literal Hebrew of Psalm 87: "each and every man is born in her [Zion]." St. Paul correctly notes in Romans 4 that Abraham was to be the heir of the entire world (which is what the patriarch was promised when he cast his eyes in all directions). You can't just juxtapose a snippet of Scripture with a historical circumstance and equate/associate them because it's convenient for your position to do so. This is all the more true when "prophecy experts" outright reject God's word when He takes the trouble to make just such an explicit equation ("... this is that which was spoken by the prophets ..." -- the clause most rejected by the prophecy "experts" who happily correct God on His erroneous assertions, essentially saying, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain).

We do not teach a "replacement theology," we teach a "regrafting theology." Criticisms of the former don't apply here. Moreover, only Chalcedon's perspective takes EVERY word of Romans 11:25-26 literally. EVERY word of it. LITERAL. There are those who say "we take that passage literally," but they first sift it through their filters and then offer the filtered version as "the literal version." This is to be rejected as a game -- and a potentially dangerous one at that. For any to hold up such a filtered version and announce the importance of adopting it as the literal version is to mislead others. I am saddened to say this, as these pages were not intended for polemics but for illumination. If, as the Psalmist says, God says that He magnifies His word above His own Name, then we'd better take it a lot more seriously than I've seen it taken here in this side blog, where agendas seem to be overwhelming exegesis. "Let God be true, and every man a liar."

Martin S. Author: Sep 13, 2012 6:18 PM Posted:


1. Thank you for responding.
Romans 11 : 25 - 26 :- " Lest you be wise in your own conceits , I want you to understand this mystery , brothers : a partial hardening has come upon Israel , until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in . And in this way all Israel will be saved , as it is written,
" The Deliverer will come from Zion ,
He will banish ungodliness from Jacob;
(v 27 ) and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins ."
The above verses are not a commentary on Isaiah 19 :18 - 25 . Paul quotes his references , which are Isaiah 59 : 20 - 21 . Furthermore , " ALL Israel " can be referenced to
Ezekiel 37 :11 , which states :- " ..son of man , these bones are the WHOLE house of Israel , ..." in the Valley of Dry Bones ( Ezekiel 37 : 1 - 14 ) .

2 . Out of Israel 19 : 18 - 25 , the 24th verse was singled out which states : - " In that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria , a blessing in the midst of the earth ,
( v25 ) whom the LORD of hosts has blessed , saying , " Blessed be Egypt My people , and Assyria the work of My hands , and Israel My Inheritance ."
The above verses do not teach that Israel will be placed behind Egypt and Assyria , nor that Egypt and Assyria will be placed in front of Israel . The meaning is that Israel should be a party of three , or a party to a triple union . An example is 2 Peter 2 : 5 , wherein Peter calls Noah " the eighth , i .e . one of eight persons . A minute piece of scripture ,
" the third part " relative to Israel occurs only once . There is not one other passage in Isaiah or in Psalms 87 that can used in support of Israel being behind or any other nation being in front of Israel .

3. Replacement or re - grafting
"The Institutes of Biblical Law " , printed in 1973 , chapter xiv :- The meaning of elder-ship , I quote :- " the fact that the church took over the office of elder from Israel is an aspect of its claim to be the new and true Israel of God .The church was now God' s true synagogue , and its people the new Israel .( page 740 ) The fact that Jesus had selected twelve disciples made clear that his community was the new Israel of God ( page 751 ) " Is this replacement theology or re-grafting theology ? Please do explain .

4. True and square on the head was the nail impacted on , when " re-grafting theology " was mentioned . An explanation of this "re-grafting theology " could be the answer to the question :- where in the nation of Israel do the christian reconstruction fit ?

5. Online at What Chalcedon Believes , Misconception 2 : Political Dominion , the first sentence of the last paragraph states :- We do believe that the state one day will be
christian...". A golden opportunity came about when US President George Bush signed Public Law 102-14 on March 1991 .Has any advantages been taken of this provision ?

sudhendrapratap Author: Sep 23, 2012 6:37 AM Posted:

discussion of Israel and the Jews Aug-Sept 2012.... to the point researched on Messianic Jews. excellent points by sudhendrapratap.

Lyn Author: May 1, 2013 3:32 PM Posted:

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